My Mom Desperately Needs Your Help!

What's Still Wrong with Pastor Jim

Juli & I write this article with the utmost urgency, bordering on an emergency. As our title indicates, Juli’s mom (Olsie Andrews) desperately needs your help. There are specific actions you must take to ensure her health and well-being, but you must first understand all of the relevant issues.

First, we need to give some historical and medical background on Olsie. As we explained in a previous article:

In our Elders, Part 1 article, Juli and I have already begun refuting Pastor Jim’s cruel act of civil defamation, but now you will see that this behavior is part of a larger pattern of emotional abuse that Pastor Jim began in 2015 toward his wife Olsie, and his sick, disabled bedbound daughter. For example, early in that year, Olsie shockingly informed *us that Pastor Jim had recently begun unfairly blaming her for two of her health problems that she had not caused, nor was she able to reverse them just because they were frustrating to him.

(*By the way, according to Pastor Jim’s teaching from Scripture, two or three witnesses who are of godly character and of sound mind constitute biblically valid testimony. In the OT, someone could be convicted and sentenced to death by this testimony (Deut. 17:6). Listen to 1 Timothy 5:17-20.)

This news was completely unthinkable to us prior to this. And we would have had no way to know this if Olsie hadn’t told us. Sadly, this not only damaged Olsie physically and psychologically, but due to her own already declining mental health, she then unfortunately perpetuated the cycle of abuse. Olsie soon began mimicking her husband’s abusive behavior by blaming us for things that we could not help either. As we wrote to the elders on 1-30-23:

p.3-4 Let me add here that Jim has even freely admitted twice to being emotionally abusive toward Olsie, both times in 2017 (once implicitly and once explicitly).

Yet despite our desperate pleas for Jim to do his biblical due diligence and seek medical attention for himself and for Olsie, he has refused to do so for both of them. In addition, because he has emotionally abused Olsie beginning in 2015, she has tragically become (like many abuse victims) abusive of others, in this case, Juli & me (because we are disabled and physically/financially dependent on her.)

Pastor Jim also began a heretofore nonexistent pattern of blaming Juli, his own sick, disabled bedbound daughter, for worsening or causing her own mother’s cognitive decline.

In paragraph 1 of the following email, Pastor Jim describes both Olsie’s early symptoms of cognitive decline, as well as demonstrating his cruel tactic of blaming an innocent victim (Juli) for it:

From: Jim Andrews <jima@lakebiblechurch.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 6:47 PM
To: Paul Grose <paulgrose1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olsie

Paul, Juli has to stop. You all may not realize it, but Olsie is on a narrow ledge as far as her mental health is concerned. She is not sleeping well. She is having trouble getting out of bed. TMJ for weeks has been about to take off the top of her head. Can find no relief but somehow keeps on going. Stresses everyday come at her from 19 different directions that you guys have no idea about. Both of us are showing signs at times of dementia (not really) but neither of us can remember the simplest things, too much coming at us, especially her. She is literally getting worn out and if things don’t let up soon, she is going to snap.

I realize nobody has it worse than you two, but she does all she can to help. I am just asking that you guys don’t compound the problem, or she is not going to be there for you one of these days. I can see it coming.

Jim

Notice that Pastor Jim unfairly and cruelly blames the worsening of Olsie’s condition on Juli. What was her alleged “crime?” She was simply begging her mom to take medical responsibility for herself, instead of fatalistically giving up and stopping a medication, since she had been stating recently that she was on the verge of having another nervous breakdown. (Olsie had frequently taken this OTC medicine for the prior 20 years, without incident, and it was necessary to keep her strong enough to function.)

Remember that Pastor Jim wrote extensively about Olsie’s struggles with severe depression, which began in 1992, in his book, Polishing God’s Monuments: Pillars of Hope for Punishing Times. And, of course, Olsie had been our in-home caregiver for the previous 28 years, and we could not afford for her health to deteriorate since there was nobody to take her place.

Unfortunately, five years later (August 2020), Olsie’s health did eventually deteriorate to the point where she was unable to continue as our caregiver or even come for a visit (this will be briefly explained later). However, neither she nor Pastor Jim would accept responsibility for their lack of due diligence in preventing this breakdown from occurring. Sadly, just as in 2015, Jim decided to blame Juli & me yet again for Olsie’s worsening cognitive decline. And this time, Pastor Jim perpetuated an elaborate lie to cover his tracks for who was truly to blame. (Olsie has since indicated on several occasions that Juli & I were not at fault for what happened on that day of August 6, 2020.)

Now we will explain the background of several recorded telephone calls you hear (transcripts provided). In December 2024, Juli invited her parents to come for a social visit around Christmastime, just as they had done amicably the year before (2023), and they agreed. Because of Juli’s medical appointment schedule, the visit was planned for Saturday, 12/28/24. However, when we called on Christmas Eve 12/24/24 to wish them a Merry Christmas, Pastor Jim mocked and mistreated me (Paul).

Then on 12/26/24, Jim called us to cancel the upcoming visit, saying that Olsie had learned that we had sent out “another one of those emails” and was “disgusted,” so she didn’t want to come. In this audio clip, then, you first hear Paul’s Christmas eve (12/24/24) call from 0:00-1:57, followed by Jim’s call on 12/26/24 from 1:58-2:12.

12-24-24 Paul & Juli call Jim & Olsie to wish them a Merry Christmas

(because the family visit won’t occur until Saturday, 12-28-24)

Paul: “We just wanted to see how you guys are doing and say Merry Christmas! We love you! Can you talk for a minute?”

Jim: “That’s the strangest thing on earth. It’s just schizophrenic. And then you send out another terrible email.”

Paul: “Well, we’re just following your teaching Jim, I don’t know what your problem is.”

Jim: “Paul, forget it.”

Paul: “Well, can we talk to Olsie?”

Jim: “Yeah, I’ll let you talk to her. [unintelligible] I’ve always regarded you as highly intelligent. You’re just schizophrenic. [Jim then has to locate Olsie and bring her the phone.]”

Jim: “Here’s Paul.”

Olsie: “Ok, OK. Hi Paul”

Paul: “Hi. We just wanted to say, ‘Merry Christmas!’ and Juli had to go the hospital today for the ultrasounds, so that’s why we had to put it off until Saturday for her to get through all these medical appointments this week. She’s had two today and one again on Friday, so we just wanted to say ‘Merry Christmas’ because we’re not going to see you until Saturday.”

Olsie: “Well, it’s sure is. I’ve been here kinda working and trying to put things together, but… So, we haven’t [unintelligible] but we’re saving the 18^th. . That’s when it is that we’re coming over, right?”

Paul: “Uh, right, the 28^th, right, Saturday”

Olsie: “What?”

Paul: “Yeah, on Saturday, yeah, the 28, yeah”

Olsie: “Yeah.”

Paul: “Well, we just want you to know that we love you and we miss you and look forward to having you over.”

Olsie: “Well, we’ll be there. I’m coming.'“

Paul: “Thank you so much. Ok, bye-bye.”

Olsie: “Ok, I’m saving a little thing for Juli, so …”

Paul: “Thank you so much.”

Olsie: “So anyway…”

[End of call, 1:58]

12-26-24, 2:42 p.m. Jim calls Paul, begins at 1:59

Jim: “Don’t get Juli ready on the 28^th. Olsie will not be coming. She just learned that you sent out another one of those emails, so she’s [just as] disgusted as I am. Bye-bye.” End of call 2:12

In order for the reader to fully understand the full context, we must explain the background. Since September 2023, we have written 6 articles (9/25/23, 4/4/24, 6/28/24, 8/20/24 and two on 11/7/24) and posted them on The Editor’s Blog page on TFW website. For a brief description of the articles, click here:

[Mitch, BEGIN ACCORDION: Leave the exposed links “as is,” don’t hide them.]

[In September 2023, we wrote this article publicly rebuking Pastor Jim (after first contacting both him and the LBC Elder Board Chairman) for partnering with a self-described “Christian” publisher who promotes a witchcraft-endorsing pastor: https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/whats-wrong-with-pastor-jim-part-12/

In April 2024, we wrote this article publicly rebuking Pastor Jim for compounding that unbiblical decision to partner with the witchcraft-endorsing “Christian” publisher by unlawfully taking possession of two websites he no longer owned: https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/whats-wrong-with-pastor-jim-part-13/

In June 2024, we wrote this article reminding LBC members (and TFW listeners) of Pastor Jim’s excellent sermons in Haggai in which he warned the congregation (and radio audience): “Consider Your Ways?” (if you are in disobedience): https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/jim-andrews-1990-2024-to-lbc-consider-your-ways/

In August 2024, we wrote this article rebuking Pastor Jim for again violating man’s civil law by committing an act of cruel defamation against me (Paul): https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/whats-wrong-with-lbcs-elders-part-1/

In November 2024, we wrote two articles containing our 2-part Open Letter to all beneficiaries of Pastor Jim’s ministries (LBC, TFW and JAB). The first one rebukes Pastor Jim and LBC for using pro-LGBTQ curriculum in its children’s programs: https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/whats-wrong-with-lbc-part-1/ . (The subtitle of this article is “You’re Flying the Gay Rainbow Flag over Your Building!”)

The second one pleads with anyone who would listen to hold Pastor Jim accountable for his sins against both God and man, especially because he was endangering Juli’s life by doing so: https://www.thefinalwordradio.com/whats-wrong-with-lbc-part-2/ ] Mitch, END OF ACCORDION

Since Pastor Jim had, years previously, given me (Paul) the ownership and control of the radio ministry (TFW) website, email addresses for LBC, TFW & JAB, and then authorized me to create and write a regular e-Newsletter (which began on 9-13-20), we decided to use this resource to hold him accountable for his unbiblical actions. So we alerted all the subscribers each time we posted a new article, as seen in the listing above.

[Mitch, Link to separate page showing screenshot of Brian’s email with excel files; BUT block out his cel phone #!]

Then on December 9, 2024, we wrote a massive, five-section article on a different website (fro fundraising), detailing our medical and financial issues, as well as Pastor Jim’s doctrinal decline.

On December 23, 2024, we re-sent the November 7, 2024 TFW & JAB e-Newsletter to alert our readers that we were finally to respond to comments on the 2-part Open Letter after our medical trip to NY.

At this point in time, we are unsure which “email” Pastor Jim is referring to in his 12/24 and 12/26 calls, but we suspect it was the latest email (sent 12-23-24) since it was already two weeks after we posted our 12-9-24 article on our other site.

However, as just explained above, this 12-23-24 email (e-Newsletter) did not contain any new information that hadn’t already been available since 11/7/24. In addition, as we have definitively proven in Section 1 of our December 9, 2024 article, Pastor Jim has refused to grant us biblical due process at every level of accountability, beginning with his own family, etc.. He should have resolved the conflict that arose on August 6, 2020 immediately or shortly thereafter, and not allowed it to fester and grow out of control.

So when Pastor Jim called on 12/26/24 to cancel the upcoming social visit and said that both he and Olsie were “disgusted” with us, we were utterly heartbroken, because this also immediately and permanently shut down all communication. Thus, we were no longer even able to call Olsie, since Pastor Jim claimed that she was “disgusted” with us for simply telling the truth as he has always taught us. Juli cried uncontrollably when she realized she would never see her parents again.

Then on 1/31/25, Olsie called us out of the blue. She had just seen the news reports (around 6 p.m. Friday PST) about the plane crash in Philadelphia that included a sick patient who had just returned from Tijuana Mexico. Due to Olsie’s cognitive decline and confusion, she wasn’t sure if this person who was killed was a stranger or possibly even her own daughter, Juli.

Remember that Pastor Jim had shut down all communication as of 12/26/24, so we had been unable to contact Olsie now for over a month. She wondered if I (Paul) had possibly taken Juli back to the East Coast for additional medical treatments. (She already knew about our November 2024 trip to NY, and we had a pleasant phone call while we were there.) But because she had been missing Juli since Christmastime and was worried about her, she feared that the worst had happened.

Warning: This exchange is quite emotional. We urge you to put yourself in Olsie’s or Juli’s shoes and imagine how you would feel.

Olsie calling Paul & Juli on January 31, 2025:

Olsie: {unintelligible, crying} “…the plane burst up in there (into flames), and I didn’t know if you {Paul} had taken her someplace or not.”

Paul: “No, she's right here with me.”

Olsie: “Ok, it was somebody who was being transferred because someone had someone sick in their family. I didn’t know if she’s alright (crying)…”

Paul: “She's right here, Olsie, she’s right here.”

Juli (crying): “Mom, I'm right here, I’m fine. Mom, I’m right here. I’m right here. I’m right here, Mom.”

Olsie, “Yeah, OK, OK”

Juli: “I’m right here, Mom, I’m right here.”

Paul: “We miss you really bad.”

Olsie (crying): …..

Juli: “It’s Ok Mom. I was just laying here thinking about how much I miss you, I was just laying here thinking about how much I miss you, because today was cleaning day and I always miss you so much on cleaning days. And I was thinking about pretty you always made the house look, and I was laying here thinking about how pretty you made the kitchen look and everything. And so I was laying here thinking about how much I miss you.

Olsie: {crying, unintelligible} “I miss you too, honey. I miss you all the time. I think I’m going crazy.”

Juli: “What? Mom, you're not going crazy. You're fine. We, I want you to come and be with me. You're fine. I want you to come be with me again.”

Olsie: “I'm always ready to come, Juli, I'm always ready to come. If I have to stand outside in the rain, and I’m always {unintelligible}.”

Juli: “Why, have you worried that you think you're going crazy, Mom? Why do you feel like you're going crazy?”

Olsie: “Because I never know what's happened to you.”

Juli: “Oh, Mom, then just call and find out; you can call anytime you want.”

Paul: “We miss you. We wanted you to come over.”

Juli: “I miss you. I wanted you to come at Christmastime. I wanted you to come so bad, and I was so sad when Dad said you weren't gonna come. And I wanted you to come so bad.”

Olsie: “I know, honey, but I was coming. I was ready to come. And somebody took and put stuff out, they put stuff or papers, and I don’t know what it was, and they told me I couldn’t come.”

Juli: “Oh, well,”

Paul: “Anyway, we’ll just try to work it out, OK?”

Juli: “I want you to come. I want you to be with me, and I want to see you again. And I love you so much, and I was just laying here thinking about how much I miss you terribly (crying). I miss you terribly (crying). I don’t feel like I can stand…I’m just so alone in the house, and I'm so alone in here, and Paul’s so busy.”

Olsie: “Don’t worry. I had it ready for Christmas, and I had it fixed and everything, and Dad wouldn’t let me bring it because he said somebody threw stuff all around. I don’t what it was all about, but I didn’t get to come.”

Juli: “No, I want you to come. Paul wanted you to come. And every day…a few days ago, Elaine [Paul’s mom] came up here and I talked to her for a few minutes, and we were talking, and then she said, ‘I miss seeing your mom,’ and I started to cry because I miss you so much.

And I’m just having a hard time because I'm just alone in the [house], and Paul’s so busy trying to take care of everything, and he can hardly hold it together, and he's lost like 40 pounds [since late 2022]. He's skin and bones. He's so skinny. He's just, he's just so skinny. He's just, he's just literally a skeleton because he can’t hold it together. He's so skinny, and he's just a scarecrow. And he's really busy all the time trying to hold everything together. And I'm just, I'm just alone in this room, night and day, and even…”

Olsie; “And that’s where I am, too.

It should be immediately apparent here that someone isn’t telling the truth. Either Olsie uttered the word, “disgusted,” as Jim claimed on 12/26/24 or she didn’t. If she did, she must have said it under coercion, given her true feelings just revealed here. So then, either Pastor Jim is guilty of 1) lying about what she said, or even worse, 2) coercing her to lie. You will understand the significance of this later in this article.

Speaking of coercion, we have numerous examples of Olsie telling the truth to Juli & me in private, and then after talking to Jim, her story changes 180 degrees, making the victim out to be the victimizer. If anyone needs a reminder, Pastor Jim has rightly taught from God’s Word that the testimony of two or three witnesses (such as Juli & me) who are of sound mind and godly character constitute biblically valid testimony:

The most glaring example of this occurred on January 14, 2021, during a phone call with Olsie. She completely exonerated me from any wrongdoing ever in my treatment of her, including specifically the conflict that arose on August 6, 2020, for which she and Jim originally blamed me. She clearly said that I had always treated her well, and I wasn’t to blame for her being upset that day.

Notice what Juli wrote for her sister Kristi in April, 2021 to describe what happened after Olsie talked to Pastor Jim about that January 14, 2021, conversation:

The final part of the message is the 3 exonerative statements mom made on January 14. I heard them [Olsie & Paul] loud and clear over the speakerphone, but when I asked her [Olsie] to go to you & Dad, she refused to accurately state what she [had just] said.

What Dad wrote back that she [Olsie] told him, was totally different. Her wording deliberately intends to avoid exonerating Paul (which she clearly did on January 14) and absolve herself of any responsibility. This twisting of the truth is inconsistent with what Dad preaches in Proverbs 6:16-19.

BTW: Paul is willing to re-send her [Olsie] the email in which he tries to help her (indirectly) reorient her wording to reflect exactly what she said on January 14.

Bottom line: I heard her lovingly and truthfully exonerate Paul of any fault on August 6. I heard her exact words and tone. She was not coerced [by Paul or me]. I heard her accurately express how Paul has always treated her. So I don’t know exactly why she [Olsie] would fail to repeat things exactly as she [originally] said to you and Dad. Even when I have repeatedly asked her to restate her language as originally spoken, she keeps repeating it in the twisted form.

So while we were relieved to finally hear back from Olsie on 1/31/25, especially since she no longer appeared to be "disgusted” with us (if she ever was), we were horrified to realize what terrible danger Pastor Jim had just put her in as a dementia patient suffering from confusion and cognitive decline. What could be more cruel? To not only deny a mother access to her loving daughter and son-in-law, but also to callously dismiss her loneliness and grief, allowing the possibility of a deadly result.

Many of us have learned throughout the years about the medical dangers that grief can cause a family member. For example, back in 2016, the son of actress Debbie Reynolds attributed her death the day after his sister’s to “Broken Heart Syndrome”:

What mother doesn’t dread finding out that her child is dead? What adult child doesn’t dread finding out that a mother or father has passed away?

Thus, Pastor Jim’s emotional cruelty to his own wife in this regard indicates just how medically unhealthy he is.

Due to the significant risk to Olsie’s mental and physical health, we were forced to take every action to protect her. So the next day, we contacted the State of Oregon’s Abuse or Neglect Hotline. We were instructed to leave a message in the appropriate county’s voicemail based on the address of the abuse victim. Then I also wrote and emailed a 10-page letter, summarizing the situation. Here is an excerpt:

Dear Clackamas County APS [Adult Protective Services], 2-1-25

Our names are Paul & Juli Grose. We are reporting the emotional abuse of Juli’s mother, Olsie Lou Andrews, 86 (DOB: XXXXX), of West Linn, by her (formerly very loving and godly) husband, James Warren Andrews, 87 (DOB:XXXXX), of West Linn. They reside at XXXXXXXXXXXXX. To our knowledge, physical violence has never occurred, but the toll of the emotional abuse is great.

You may be wondering why we are so insistent upon stipulating up-front about James’s (he goes by Jim) lifetime of loving care of Olsie. That is because he has been a loving father to Juli, and he has been our pastor from 1990-2024 at Lake Bible Church in Lake Oswego. We are certain, based on the Christian character Jim showed his entire adult life, that the cause of his abuse of Olsie is an unspecified medical problem. We realize that the current issue is not so much “why” .as simply “that” abuse is occurring, but we needed to explain that right away. As an exhibit, we would like you to reference Pastor Jim’s book (edited by me, Paul) on marriage: Marriage without Remorse: Rules for the Road (attached).

Before continuing, we’d like to give a quick overview of the most pertinent facts in this case:

1) As you will see below, Olsie began experiencing symptoms of early cognitive decline about 10 years ago (age 76).

2) Olsie had a severe breakdown in August 2020 and was unable to continue being our daily caregiver; she also stopped driving immediately (age 81 ½).

3) Olsie was diagnosed with cognitive decline in early January 2024 (age 85)

4) Olsie lost her accounting job soon thereafter (late Jan, age 85).

Olsie began describing to us that Jim was treating her differently about 10 years ago, in early 2015, when he was 77 ½ years old and she was 76. This was completely shocking to us, as you can imagine. At the time, he was blaming her (uncharacteristically) for medical problems she could not help, which were her difficulty hearing (caused by playing the piano for many years during the church services with an audio monitor placed too-closely nearby), and her increasing memory problems.

Unfortunately, we only obtained this information because at the time, Olsie had begun doing the same kinds of things to us, as is typical in those who are being emotionally abused. She was also demonstrating significant signs and symptoms of very early cognitive decline (depression, memory problems, emotional instability), and she sadly did not receive any medical treatments to prevent or slow the progression of her disease. She was finally diagnosed with cognitive decline about 1 year ago, in Jan 2024.

Because Pastor Jim (as we will now refer to him) had taught from the Bible all throughout his pastoral ministry (beginning in 1963 in WV) about how husbands/fathers are to treat their wives/children, we knew that this behavior was most likely caused by a medical problem. However, he was unwilling to take any significant steps to diagnose or treat those symptoms in himself, either.

Over the decades as Juli & I have helped Pastor Jim in his various ministries at Lake Bible Church, his printed books ministry (of which we are both co-authors), and the weekday Christian radio program, he has trained us in knowing God’s Word and standing up to those sin against God or who mistreat others.

However, as his abuse of Olsie & us continued, we realized that we would have to bring this to the attention of those charged with overseeing, the Board of Elders at Lake Bible Church. So on January 30, 2023 (two years ago), we sent the first of many communications, including significant (but not exhaustive) documentation of the medically driven changes we had observed in Jim (See below). In addition, we specified that we did NOT want him to resign immediately, but rather to come clean and get medical help, so that he could continue to preach and lead the church.

Then on Monday, 2/3/25, we received a call back from an investigator with the Clackamas County APS (Adult Protective Services), whose first name begins with “M” (female). She informed us that Olsie was doubly protected by Oregon law against Elder Abuse because of her age (86) and her disability (diagnosed with cognitive decline in Jan 2024). She confirmed that, based on the events of December 2024, Pastor Jim had violated Oregon law in at least one area. (Here is a sample lawyer’s page explaining various aspects of the law.)

The investigator, “M,’ also cautioned us that, due to limited resources, the State HQ may be forced to prioritize other, more severe violations first. She also noted, after reviewing our online articles detailing Pastor Jim’s abuse of Olsie, that we had not yet publicly displayed all the required documentation to legally (not biblically) prove our case. We explained that this was by design: We had always hoped to deal with this privately, first within the family, and then, within the church, but Pastor Jim refused in both cases. Then we were forced to go online to publicly expose his abusive treatment of Olsie with biblically sufficient evidence, but even after this, sadly, his former seminary/Bible college students and radio listeners & book readers were unwilling to take any action to save Juli’s or Olsie’s life.

And thus, we have now been forced to issue this dire warning & plea in this article, “My Mom Desperately Needs Your Help!” Any further delay in getting Olsie sufficient medical care will inevitably result in her cognitive decline becoming irreversible, based on the findings of the top neurologists and researchers in the world. This is all the more important because, even after being diagnosed with cognitive decline in early January 2024, Olsie has still been able to make progress while under supervised treatment. So there is definitely hope, but very little time.

Before we continue, we must provide more context for the discussions about visiting at Christmastime in 2024 and why this was so important for Olsie in particular. As we explained above, Olsie’s cognitive decline progressed to the point in August 2020 that she was unable to continue as our caregiver or come for a normal visit. We will not fill in all the details at this point in order to save time (though you may be able to deduce some of the issues by reading/listening up ahead), but the result of this was that from August 6, 2020 onward, she was unable to visit with Juli and me inside the house on daily basis as she had for the previous 25 years.

Thus, Olsie missed Juli, and Juli missed her mom. Finally, in late 2023, Juli and Olsie discussed possibly getting together over Christmas. In this audio clip from December 19, 2023, you will hear Olsie thank me (Paul) for a *loving email I wrote to them. (*Explanation: Sadly, Pastor Jim had been refusing to personally discuss with me a legal letter I had sent about two month before, and he then forced Olsie to do his dirty work for him on December 17, even though she was not knowledgeable about these legal issues at all. He thus was failing be a good citizen by being unwilling even to acknowledge the receipt of (as well as the reading of) the legal letter I had sent him regarding the ownership of The Final Word & Jim Andrews Books websites. Thus, Jim both Olsie and me in a terrible position, so we both got frustrated during the call. So Olsie wrote an apology note, and I (Paul) wrote a loving note back to her. However, the conflict should never have happened in the first place.)

In addition, as you will see, I have always treated Olsie in a loving way, even when I am forced to confront her or Jim about something they are doing wrong.

In this clip, you will hear Olsie describe 1) how much she loves both of us, 2) how much she feared that she wouldn’t get to see Juli in person that Christmas (2023), and 3) how relieved and elated that she was that finally, after 3 ½ years, she would be able to enjoy a brief visit inside our house with us.

Olsie called Paul & Juli, 12-19-23 7:55 p.m.

[Mitch, can you delete 0:00 thru 0:30?]

Juli: Hi Mom.

Olsie: Hey, Honey.

Juli: I love you.

Olsie: [Paul wrote] a beautiful letter.

Juli: Thank you. He loves you. I haven't gotten to see you in a while, but he loves you so much. I need you to know that.

Olsie: Well, I love both of you, and I appreciate it. I just love what Paul wrote, and it's very, very thoughtful.

So, you know, we said in the fall, or whenever it was, maybe this year, we would have a nice Christmas. And I cried and cried to God and said, “Lord, we're not going to have a good Christmas again.” [crying] But we are having a good, we can have a good Christmas again.

Juli: Mom, it will be okay. We just need … it doesn't need to be that big of a deal. We just need to work things out. If I could just explain: Paul and I are so sick, and we're getting sicker all the time. And if you read, I could have you read Whitney's, there's an article you've never read, that he wrote in a medical journal, Dr. Davis's son, Whitney, and it's peer-reviewed, which means other doctors approved of it, so it's literally a medical article. And you’ve never read it [because it was relatively recent], but he just describes what life is like, and just how particular [Whitney has to] have everything, just really quiet, and just with his caregivers and everything.

And we just need to work things out, because it's just, like what happened with Paul and you on Sunday. It's not you, it would be if it were Elaine [Paul’s mom] or with anybody.

That kind of thing makes him and me, when there's an argument, so sick, and it's like it’s permanent relapse. Permanent, and like, you can't get up out of bed for weeks and months, and it keeps getting worse. And so, when you read this with Whitney, you will see it's just the illness, it's just the way the illness works.

And if, the whole thing, if we can just get like some medicine, that's been our whole goal [all] along the whole time. It's not anything to do with you. There's just things going on in your body, that are making you [unintelligible] way. And if we can just get some of your neurotransmitters turned around, where it's not such an easy tendency for you, then we won't have any problems, and you can come back in and we can visit every day like we used to. And that's our wish too, and it's not that big of a deal, it really isn't. It's just, you know, that was the whole thing with everything we tried to do, it's just because I need my mom.

And yet, if you read this article by Whitney, you'll see just how particular everything has to be, just how, any kind of extra sensation, any kind of, like I'm giving you an example, like when Janet and Ron Davis have to come in his room, now I don't have this, but they have to wear black [clothing], because he can't handle any colors, because it just stimulates his brain too much.

And so for us, like an argument of any kind, even me like talking, and I’m OK right now, I mean, any kind of...

Olsie: I can read it over again, but...

Juli: Yeah, I don't think you've ever read this one.

Olsie: [unintelligible]

Juli: Yeah, you haven't read this one, and it'll really help you understand, and I just need [you] to know, this doesn't need to be, it's not, it's not you, it's not any criticism of you or anything, it's just, it's the same principle as somebody wearing perfume in the house. And it doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter if it's you, or it's Elaine, or Gordon [Paul’s dad] wearing cologne, I can't handle perfume.

Well, it's the same principle as far as sound, like for me, most of the day, where I'm at right now, I can't handle any sound, or very many lights, and so, if there's an upset, like there's an argument, I mean, I'm just, and Paul's the same way, I am just weak for months, sick for months. And so it's like every time there's an argument, it's not just like, oh, we get over it, it's like it's permanent, and so, to just do things to help your body, where you're more calm and everything, then we can work that out.

And then if we can get that trigger, what’s triggering that in your body, calm down, and get that worked out, then we can have you back. And Paul, I can't tell you, and I'm like, I'm just giving you an example, like, whenever, and it's just a physical problem, so whenever you or Dad [as had recently done in a Dec. 2023 meeting held at LBC, violating Mat. 18:15ff—when Paul was not present or able to defend himself] say like, “Paul, Paul won’t let Olsie in,” he gets so sick, and so hurt, and he just gets so ill, because he feels so falsely accused, and he's like, “Lord, it's not because I don’t want her in. I need her in here, I'm so falsely accused because I'm so sick, and I can't handle any kind of argument, I'm just that sick.

And I’ve got to take care of Juli, and then Dad will go around saying, “Paul won’t let Olsie come.” Well, he wants you in here so bad, I can't tell you how much [he loves you].

As you have just seen and heard, despite the public acrimony between us and Jim & Olsie from late September 2023 all the way up through December 17, two days before this call, Juli & still I missed them and wanted to maintain our close personal relationships with them as much as possible. We had done nothing wrong; in fact, we were simply following Pastor Jim’s lifelong teaching from God’s Word about accountability in the family, church, ministry, etc.

Also, note that Pastor Jim thanked me on his way out the door after our 30-minute visit, in which we talked about the genealogical research Juli had done into both of their families.

[Mitch, link to new page showing SCREENSHOT OF Paul’s & Jim’s EMAIL[]

Thus, we had all just proven that we could strongly disagree about doctrine and legal matters, but we could continue to enjoy each other as a family. Thus, when the opportunity for a Christmastime visit arose a year later, in 2024, Olsie was understandably looking forward to seeing us for an in-person conversation again.

Now back to our conversation with “M,” the investigator from Clackamas County APS. I asked her if she had read everything that we had submitted, including Pastor Jim’s 200-page marriage book. She confirmed that she had done so. At this point, it would be beneficial to quote Pastor Jim from the opening of his first chapter (italics + bold added):

In my pastoral life counseling has been both exhilarating and exasperating---exhilarating when people have “ears to hear,” actually apply the wisdom you have shared with them, and later say, “Thank you, pastor! That’s exactly the advice I (we) needed,” and exasperating when couples blow off remedies that could have healed their homes.

Frankly, most dysfunctional marriages I have encountered could be put back in order pronto if only the couples would just take this one piece of biblical advice: Be a servant!

That is the first rule for the marital road. Start there and the rest of this book may be unnecessary, for this one relational principle covers, like love, a multitude of marital sins.

That spirit, which is a choice by the way, is God’s direction for all our relationships in the body of Christ and preeminently in the home. Just because the man may be God’s designated head of the family does not mean by any stretch that he is exempted from the obligation to act as a servant in that domestic order. God did not anoint him to selfishly dominate or tyrannize his wife, but, like Christ, to be a servant to her. And likewise, the wife does not exist to manipulate her husband or to seek her own fulfillment, but, as in the beginning, to be a helper or a servant to her Adam in all his legitimate needs and desires.

As we have explained repeatedly in our articles and also to this Investigator, “M,” Pastor Jim’s unspecified health condition is causing him to act uncharacteristically, destroying his own legacy. We wanted her to read passages such as this so she would understand what kind of godly man he has always been. I also asked her if the State HQ investigator would be talking to his doctor. She replied, “Well, you want him to get better, don’t you?” To which I answered emphatically, “Yes, that’s what we’ve wanted all along!”

Now let’s examine exactly what kind of behavior this unspecified medical condition is causing. As we have just proven above, there was no legitimate reason for Jim to keep Olsie away from Juli from August 6, 2020 to December 24, 2023, and then from that date up to the present.

Olsie has clearly specified, on several occasions including 1/14/21 and others, that I (Paul) did not cause her breakdown on that August day. So then, why wouldn’t Pastor Jim follow his own teaching from God’s Word about repenting from sin (both his own, and Olsie’s) and show the necessary repentance to restore the relationship?

As you have read above, Pastor Jim did not explain his rationale for cancelling the family visit, so we cannot know for sure. But we can ask probing questions for his supporters to ask themselves and him:

Why, on 12/26/24, did Pastor Jim cancel the upcoming Christmastime visit instead of biblically correcting the marriage and family turmoil he himself had been causing since 2015 because of his own health decline?

Why did Pastor Jim cancel the visit over the simple re-sending of an “email” that had already been sent earlier, on Nov. 7, 2024?

Regardless of the *reason(s) Pastor Jim might give for cancelling, if he was so morally certain about the rightness of his decision, then why did he feel the need to lie, or even worse, to coerce Olsie into lying about her true feelings. Let’s compare his statements with hers:

[*BTW: If Pastor Jim was concerned that, by attending the visit, he & Olsie would be tacitly acknowledging the truthfulness of our articles, then he could have easily insisted that Juli & I sign a paper stipulating that this was not the case, and we would have agreed. Therefore, he could have preserved his own position and still allowed Olsie to see her own daughter for a social visit.]

Jim said on 12/26/24: “She [Olsie] just learned that you sent out another one of those emails, so she’s [just as] disgusted as I am.”

This presumes that Olsie either 1) had read the “email” herself, which she denied on 1/31/25, or 2) had learned sufficient information about the contents therein in order to form an opinion of being “disgusted.”

However, Olsie said on 1/31/25 that she didn’t even know what the “email” was about. And since the content of the email/article contained damning information against Pastor Jim based on her own direct, eyewitness testimony, she would have no reason to be “disgusted” with us for just telling the truth.

So then, did Pastor Jim lie on 12/26/24, or did he coerce her to lie, forcing her to say that she was “disgusted” with us, and then he repeated her coerced lie to us, thereby destroying the relationship?

Think about it: If both of your parents say that they are “disgusted” with you, and they show no interest in visiting with you in person for years on end, wouldn’t you assume that the relationship has been permanently destroyed?

And as you remember from the beginning of this article, the ramification of his cruel act of destroying his daughter’s relationship with her mother (and vice-versa) could have possibly led to Olsie experiencing a fatal or near-fatal medical event (such as in the Broken Heart Syndrome).

Now ask yourself these other questions:

What would have happened if Olsie hadn’t been unable to reach us on 1/31/25? (After all, she called our landline here in Oregon.) What if we truly had been out of state, and she didn’t know or remember my (Paul’s) cel phone number?

What if she tried to call, but then missed us, therefore prolonging her distress and increasing the risk of a severe health event?

Also, ask yourself this: Why wouldn’t a father want to occasionally see his own disabled daughter in person, even if he had public disagreements with her, just as he had done the year before?

Why does Pastor Jim want to avoid Juli, and to isolate Olsie from her? Is it because he’s worried that Olsie will divulge even more details of his abuse to Juli & me?

As you can now see, there has been a startling change in Pastor Jim’s moral and ethical behavior. It’s literally 180 degrees the opposite of his lifetime of godly obedience. Juli & I have done over 4 ½ years of extensive medical research online to try to understand what is happening. In addition, Olsie and the rest of the family have given us their observations through the years, helping us complete the picture.

So we will now briefly summarize the signs and symptoms that Olsie & the family have used to describe Pastor Jim:

Early 2015: Olsie told us that Jim was being verbally abusive, blaming her for medical problems she could not help (see letter to APS above). She also said that John and Kristi both had noticed signs of cognitive decline in each of them and made what Jim & Olsie considered to be unkind remarks to them.

May 7, 2015: Pastor Jim wrote the email cited above, “Both of us are showing signs at times of dementia (not really) but neither of us can remember the simplest things, too much coming at us, especially her.”

April 2017: Pastor Jim forgot that he had written an article just four years before, shortly after the accession of Pope Francis, condemning him and the Roman Catholic Church for its total apostasy. He admitted that he had been deceived over the decades by prominent Protestants, such as J. Vernon McGee and Luis Palau, into thinking that there was a legitimate evangelical constituency within the RCC. Not only did he fail to remember his 2013 about-face on the matter, but he then initially tried to revert back to his unbiblical pre-2013 position, likely because of fear of Catholic or pro-Catholic attenders at LBC.

Late Summer 2018: Pastor Jim’s behavior on Facebook was causing great concern in the family. Kristi called me (Paul) and asked me to look at a comment he posted about a picture he had taken at the famous Greenbriar Resort hotel in West Virginia. He had accidentally taken the picture of his own feet instead of the intended object, so he called himself a “retard.” The entire Dotson family was upset about this, since this term had become unacceptable in recent decades, but Jim was clueless about how insensitive it was. Yet nobody in the family dared to confront him and ask him to take it down.

Kristi called me to ask me if I could talk to him. She said (approximately), “He respects you. He’ll listen to you. John and I have tried on some other things, but it hasn’t gone very well. The kids are afraid to confront him.” I declined, explaining that we had recently had a conflict, and that John was the appropriate person to biblically confront him, since he was a pastor. John did so, and Jim thankfully agreed to change the wording. But this was a major warning sign of Jim’s decline.

In that same conversation, Kristi told me that her son, Pastor Alex Dotson, said that his “greatest regret in life was teaching Grandpa how to use Facebook.” This is because Jim was also engaging in unChristlike, argumentative behavior (in his online manners, not his doctrine) with a former member of LBC’s youth group, and everyone in the family was worried about it.

2019: Both Olsie and Kristi told Juli at different points how much emotional pain Pastor Jim was causing them. Olsie said, “I just have to give it to the Lord. You have to do the same thing.” And Kristi told Juli how much he was hurting her, causing her to have to turn off her emotions just to survive. She also explained that she tried to comfort herself with the realization that Pastor Jim had “diminished capacity.”

2020: Olsie told us that Pastor Jim had a strong family history of this kind of (unspecified) medical disorder, esp. amongst the male members. She also indicated that she was having growing difficulty dealing with it.

Based on this family testimony, there are several diagnostic possibilities, but that is for Pastor Jim’s doctor(s) to determine. The purpose of this article is to get both Pastor Jim & Olsie sufficient medical attention to prevent certain spiritual, medical and financial disaster, not to ascertain exactly what’s going on.

However, we must help the reader understand some of the dynamics so that he/she can act appropriately.

First, it has been established that many neurodegenerative diseases can cause changes in behavior even before any cognitive changes are seen. This can be in various types of dementia:

One of the first noticeable symptoms of dementia is not memory loss, but personality changes. The brain areas responsible for emotions, judgment, and social behavior begin to deteriorate, leading to unexpected behavioral shifts.

Neurocognitive disorders (Alzheimer’s Disease, Parkinson’s Disease, Mild Behavioral Impairment, Mild Cognitive Impairment, bvFTD), :

New onset of mood and behavioral changes in middle-aged patients are frequently the first manifestations of an unrecognized neurocognitive disorder. Impairment of social cognition, the cognitive ability to process social information coming from others, such as emotions, to attribute mental states to others, and to respond appropriately to them, is often at the origin of behavioral manifestations in neurodegenerative disorders.

In addition, it is important to recognize that social cognition and cognitive dysfunction are often independent of each other. Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s disease:

In addition to NPS, social cognition changes are reported in individuals with dementia (Snowden et al., 2003; Poveda et al., 2017). Social cognition allows individuals to partake in social situations by enabling them to perceive and recognize the thoughts, emotions, and behaviors of others (Shany-Ur and Rankin, 2011). An intact association between implicit and explicit cognitive functions are required in order to successfully decipher and interact with the social environment around us. People with dementia may display increasing difficulties in understanding social cues or recognizing emotions (Phillips et al., 2010). For instance, individuals with AD have trouble adapting to change, unconcerned with others’ feelings and are unable to control emotions. These social cognition changes are independent of cognitive dysfunction and increase over time (Cosentino et al., 2014).

Thus, due to Pastor Jim’s unspecified medical problem causing his severe behavioral change, the once-healthy family relationships have been destroyed. The author of this article, Ryan, wrote this article in part based on his own experience. It is entitled, “What Do You Do When Your Elderly Father Turns Against You?” Here is an excerpt:

Reasons for Elderly Parents Turning Against Their Children

1. Dementia or other cognitive disorders

As we get older, our bodies and minds go through a lot of changes. For some elderly parents, this can mean developing dementia or other cognitive disorders. These conditions can cause them to act in ways that are out of character and even turn against their own children.

Dementia is a brain disorder that affects memory, thinking, and behavior. As the disease progresses, it can cause confusion, agitation, and even aggression. It’s not uncommon for an elderly parent with dementia to lash out at their loved ones, including their children.

Other cognitive disorders, such as Alzheimer’s disease or Parkinson’s disease, can also lead to changes in behavior that may cause an elderly parent to turn against their children. These disorders can affect the way the brain processes information and may cause a person to act impulsively or unpredictably.

If you suspect that your elderly parent’s behavior is related to a cognitive disorder, it’s essential to seek medical attention. With proper diagnosis and treatment, it’s possible to manage the symptoms of these conditions and improve your parent’s quality of life.

Thus, now that we have provided overwhelming evidence of the destruction of family relationships caused by Pastor Jim’s unspecified medical problem and have listed several possible diagnoses that can cause this, we must briefly examine the spiritual impact of this. As this Scientific American article explains, a person’s moral behavior is more central to his/her identity than any other factor, including memory.

Researchers from the University of Arizona and Yale decided to investigate this hypothesis directly in a real-world clinical population. Their study was designed to test what types of cognitive damage cause people to no longer appear to be themselves to others. A crucial element of the design was testing for changes in identity from the perspective of a third person observer, rather than the individual himself. In addition to sidestepping many of the reliability problems intrinsic to first-person accounts, focusing on perceived identity allowed the investigators to assess the effects of memory and moral changes on the patient’s relationship with others. This is an extremely important facet because when someone appears to be “not the same person,” the social bonds between patients and loved ones or caregivers quickly deteriorate. These bonds are critical to one’s well-being and health, as they are the source of the connectedness one feels to the people in their lives and the outside world.

The investigators recruited 248 volunteers with family members who suffered from one of three types of neurodegenerative diseases. Patients had either Alzheimer’s disease, frontotemporal dementia, or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), each of which are characterized by relatively distinct cognitive and behavioral changes. While ALS primarily affects motor but not mental function, both Alzheimer’s and frontotemporal dementia affect cognition. However, where Alzheimer’s strongly affects things like memory and IQ, those with frontotemporal dementia tend to undergo changes in moral traits—i.e., things like honesty, compassion, decency, and integrity.

Summary: This new research is also an important intellectual contribution to the discussion surrounding the ancient question of what makes someone who they are. It appears that it is not our intelligence or our knowledge of the past that defines us, but instead our moral behavior. Essentially, identity is not what we know, but what we stand for.

So then, if it’s our moral behavior that truly defines us, not our memory or intelligence, what is the impact of Pastor Jim’s behavioral change in behavior on his family and (former) church members and listeners/readers?

In order to answer this, we must ask, Who was Pastor Jim Andrews? Anyone who knew him would instantly say that his most defining characteristic throughout his entire lifetime (while he was healthy) was his honesty and integrity. He never lied.

Now listen to this portion of Pastor Jim’s sermon in 1 John 1:3-4 in which he describes the consequences of someone choosing to disbelieve the clear teaching of God’s Word, especially regarding the Lord Jesus Christ. Anyone doing so is calling God a liar, which is antithetical to his very nature. Then Pastor Jim uses himself as a (lesser) example of this:

@15:37, Before we move forward with our exposition of this text, several things I would have you notice about the content of this preface. One is: Observe carefully that one of the tests of fellowship in the faith is one's theology, what we believe or refuse to believe. If it is not transparent why, what we believe or disbelieve matters to God, let me explain.

As a person, I take pride in being truthful, telling the truth. Whatever my vices, that is one of my virtues. So much so that of all things that offend me deeply, it is when someone questions my veracity or when I find somebody lying. Years and years ago, long gone now, thankfully, [I] had an elder who once questioned my integrity on a matter and was quite taken back when I took offense. I warned him right then and there that if he wanted to continue our conversation, to not even think of going there again, for I said, “My friend, whatever my various faults, lying is not one of them.”

I thought it was quite a commentary on his own character when the guy professed amazement that I would take such umbrage at his suggestion that I had not been truthful about a matter. For, he explained, he just didn't get it, “You don't lie?” he asked in amazement, “I lie,” as if to say, “I breathe. Everybody breathes. Surely you can admit that you breathe too.” Well, that insinuation set my pants on fire, for it goes to my character and my character is who I am.

Well, God is the same way, my friends, God has revealed Himself in Jesus Christ. If we refuse to believe the Word God has revealed, you know what? In effect, we call God a liar and that disbelief goes to His character. That posture is sacrilege, and Heaven, I warn, will never roll over for such an insult unless repented of. @17:32

So then, if truthfulness and honesty have always been integral to Pastor Jim’s redeemed nature, but now they are not, then you can understand why Juli & I feel like we no longer know “who this person is,” even though his cognitive skills remain strong.

However, also remember that because of Pastor Jim’s unspecified medical condition, he is making decisions that are harmful to Olsie’s health and well-being, so he is no longer medically capable of guiding her care. He has been consistently making the worst possible choices for her over the past decade, because they are driven by his needs, not her own. We have just proven this concerning his unwillingness to repent for damaging the family relationships between Olsie & us and his keeping Olsie and Juli apart for almost 5 years.

Thus, in Part 2, we will detail exactly why he must not continue to guide her care from a medical, not just moral & spiritual, standpoint. For now, we will simply quote Pastor Jim from his 3/26/25 8:39 p.m. email describing her alarming rate of decline in just the past two months. (Remember that you heard Olsie’s voice and state of mind in the audio clip above from 1/31/25, just two months before Jim wrote this.)

But while Pastor Jim is correct that she has become dramatically worse since then, we will prove in Part 2, according to the world’s top neurologists and researchers in the field of neurocognitive diseases, that it is primarily because of his medical decisions to act or not act upon various scientifically proven treatments:

Whatever Olsie told or tells you is probably not reliable anymore. Her cognitive decline is more obvious from month to month, she can hardly add eight and eight, is totally unreliable anymore on numbers and names; aphasia a huge problem. Yesterday after trying a dozen times or so could not come close to pronouncing the word “elevator” even as I carefully pronounced it for her. She cannot even name all of her 5 great grans.

On our way home from Naples, in Dallas she thought she was on a train, not a plane sitting on the tarmac, was terribly confused all the way back. Though we two have some good conversations, if I am patient, [s]he has trouble composing her thoughts and expressing them in a linear way, and expressing when she is stressed, which is frequently the case.

So then, dear reader, if Pastor Jim does not immediately get adequate medical attention for both himself and Olsie, he is condemning them both to something like what ABC correspondent Cynthia McFadden experienced in an Alzheimer’s simulation exercise.

So what can you do? Call Pastor John Dotson at (503) 915-7577. This is Jim’s other son-in-law, and also the Pastor of Men’s and Student Ministries at Lake Bible Church in Lake Oswego. His wife is Kristi, Juli’s sister.

We do not suggest calling or emailing Pastor Jim personally, because he is not responding to concerned people who are trying to contact him.

Please express your concern to Pastor John & his wife Kristi about Pastor Jim’s abusive treatment of Olsie and beg them to intervene so that Juli & I will not be forced to submit the additional evidence we have gathered to the State of Oregon so it can begin an investigation of Pastor Jim. But one thing is certain, we will do whatever we must to save both Olsie’s and Jim’s lives, for that is our Christian duty and honor.

Finally, we need to say that it is cruel to allow one’s parent to die such a humiliating and terrifying death (from various neurocognitive diseases) when scientific advances over the past 30 years have made this completely unnecessary (proof forthcoming in Part 2). Olsie has frequently expressed to us how afraid she is of dementia and going into a nursing home, even being unable to say those specific words out loud. Up ‘til now, she has been willing to continue trying, but we do not know how long this will continue. Please pray for her and act now!